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Yet, blacks were prevented from accumulating wealth, because of slavery and racism, until recently, to compete with other racial groups, e.g. whites.

Do blacks have similar income and wealth today compared to whites?

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It’s not about equal outcome. It’s about blacks starting from a much lower point than whites, because of slavery and racism.

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So, you don’t believe blacks should be compensated, somehow, for over 200 years of slavery and racism in America?

“Disadvantaged” is not an empty term.

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No, I assume blacks didn’t have the same opportunities as whites to earn income and accumulate wealth over many generations.

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Morganovich says: “the really interesting thing was how rapidly the gap between blacks and whites was closing until the 60′s.”

Do you have any proof?

Before the 1960s, there was substantial discrimination against blacks, e.g. in housing, education, and, I suspect, jobs too.

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Morganovich, did blacks make gains before the 1960s or lose ground after the 1960s?

If blacks made gains, it was likely through laws.

I would’ve rather seen workfare with a rising minimum wage, at least adjusted for inflation and perhaps also keeping up with real income growth, than all those expensive welfare programs.

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Workfare with a rising minimum wage would’ve benefited blacks much more than welfare, and also benefited the country. More money equals more choice.

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What does Charles Murray say about discrimination of blacks in housing, education, and employment before the 1960s and after the 1960s?

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Seattle Sam, the reality is many, if not most, blacks go to crappy schools and live in poorer neighborhoods than whites.

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Ron, we were talking about blacks in America.

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And, I don’t know why Seattle Sam assumed I’m for preferences, particularly for high income blacks.

I was stating some realities, including root causes, why blacks have lagged whites in America, which some people seem to minimize or deny.

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meekque2, there was discrimination against the Irish and Italians when they came to America too.

So?

Do you really believe that’s a equitable comparison with blacks in America, particularly black families who’ve been in this country for over 200 years?

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Blacks were here well before other groups, e.g. Hispanics or Asians. They should be doing as well as white immigrants.

Country Immigrants before 1790 – Population 1790

Africa: 360,000 – 757,000
England: 230,000 – 2,100,000
Scot-Irish: 135,000 – 300,000
Germany: 103,000 – 270,000
Scotland: 48,500 – 150,000
Netherlands: 6,000 – 100,000
Wales: 4,000 – 10,000
France: 3,000 – 15,000
Jews: 1,000 – 2,000
Sweden: 500 – 2,000
Other: 50,000 – 200,000

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Yes, blacks have been catching up to whites.

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That’s your logic, not mine. I’m stating that if blacks had the same opportunities as whites, for generations, then blacks would be doing as well as whites.

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Whites and blacks would be equally represented in crappy schools

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Perhaps, Asians immigrants are overrepresented in education, because they have above average income or wealth, while Hispanics are underrepresented in education, because they have below average income or wealth.

Of course, there are other factors. However, income and wealth may be the most significant factors.

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marque2 says: “Asians are pretty darn successful, even though they were brought here under similar circumstances. Why – my guess is that it has something to do other than 200+ years of slavery.”

I didn’t know Asians were bought and sold like blacks over the same 200 year period.

Do you really believe 1790 blacks, given the same opportunities as whites, wouldn’t have been as successful in America?

What other “something” besides “slavery” would’ve made the difference?

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It really kills your argument misinterpreting what I said. Do you have any data to show there were as many Asians slaves as black slaves in America over that period?

Why not include white slaves too? Does Japanese internment camps rise to the same level as black slavery and racism in America in your mind?

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