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War on Drugs Debate-Obama on Middle Class

 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:21 pm    Post subject: War on Drugs Debate-Obama on Middle Class Reply with quote

MP: "Hundreds of New Yorkers who have been caught with small amounts of marijuana, or who have simply admitted to using it, have become ensnared in civil child neglect cases in recent years, though they did not face even the least of criminal charges, according to city records and defense lawyers. A small number of parents in these cases have even lost custody of their children."

Truly scary.

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PeakTrader said...

What's really scary is U.S. demand for drugs:

Mexico's Calderon berates U.S. after casino attack
Aug 26, 2011

President Felipe Calderon declared three days of mourning on Friday and demanded a crackdown on drugs in the United States after armed men torched a casino in northern Mexico, killing at least 52 people.

Lashing out at corrupt officials in Mexico and "insatiable" U.S. demand for drugs for fomenting the violence, Calderon urged Congress to stamp out drug consumption and stop illegal trafficking of weapons across the border into Mexico.

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Dan Ferris said...

PT, you couldn't be more wrong. U.S. demand for drugs is no scarier than its demand for shirts, cereal, iPods or any other product. What's truly terrifying (as in the result of terrorism) is that, by behaving like a perfectly responsible person who happens to smoke a joint, you can have your front door kicked and perhaps even be murdered by federal jackbooted thugs who are never held responsible, even when they kill innocents. It's time to abolish the DEA, ATF and SWAT teams.

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PeakTrader said...

Dan, U.S. demand for drugs is killing tens of thousands of people in Mexico.

Americans who demand those drugs don't really care.

They are irresponsible.

They just want the drugs.

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VangelV said...

"Dan, U.S. demand for drugs is killing tens of thousands of people in Mexico."

No, it is prohibition that is killing people. (It would help if the ATF stopped selling automatic weapons to drug lords.) I do not see Mexicans killing each other to sell beer into the US even though demand for Mexican beer is substantial.

As usual, you avoid the issue by making claims that are not supportable by logic or objective evidence.

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PeakTrader said...

VangelV, it's time to face reality.

The drugs are illegal and people are getting killed.

Does that stop U.S. demand?

No.

I guess, it's better to blame someone or something else rather than take responsibility.

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VangelV said...

"The drugs are illegal and people are getting killed."

They are getting killed because the drugs are illegal. Time for you to face reality.

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Ron H. said...

"Does that stop U.S. demand?

No."

It should be abundantly clear, after 40 years of trying, at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars, and hundreds of thousands of lives worldwide, that US demand can't be stopped.

Most of the killing could be stopped, however.

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VangelV said...

"I guess, it's better to blame someone or something else rather than take responsibility."

Responsibility for what? Those that use drugs are not responsible for the stupid laws that provide huge margins to those that import them or the deaths that are caused by prohibition. Yours is an intellectually bankrupt argument that has no basis in logic or morality.

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PeakTrader said...

Law-abiding people shouldn't allow criminals to dictate policy.

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VangelV said...

"Law-abiding people shouldn't allow criminals to dictate policy."

Laws that violate individual rights are not legitimate.

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PeakTrader said...

Obama says he wants to help the "middle class."

Yet, he set the country on a course towards more regulations and more taxes, while restructuring the economy with massive inefficiencies.

If he had his way, the middle class would be moving faster towards lower living standards.

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juandos said...

"If he had his way, the middle class would be moving faster towards lower living standards"...

Well PT if the U6 numbers are anything to go by then Obama is succeeding rather well it seems...

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp?fromYear=2007&toYear=2011
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